Opinions on VS Fashion Show?

Dec 12, 2013

Roz X.

Antonio, I take issue with the suggestion everyone who shops at Torrid is obese and unhealthy. It's an oversimplification and feel it reflects size coveting, which strikes me as absurd. I run or walk 5 miles a day, am devoted to my yoga and lift weights. I'm fit, yet I'm not a size 3...and I've no desire to be. I just think if you carry the size...represent it...beautifully.

Dec 12, 2013

Roz X.

*Antonia excuse my typo.

Dec 12, 2013

Julianne J.

Yes, Antonia, I think you might have made a mistake when saying only unhealthy/fat people have a problem with skinny models, etc. Individuals with any body type have been critical about the fashion/modeling/advertising industry's portrayal of women.

Dec 12, 2013

Antonia S.

Angel. I don't expect you to read all this buttttttt... what I'm saying about "abstract" is VS is not being literal. They don't expect woman to actually wear the things featured in the fashion show in the bedroom. It's not meant to be taken seriously, it's the designers vision. It's abstract.
As for the whole weight issue, I didn't read your comment in the thread previously so I was not directly calling you out. I just believe that people will always try to put something down. The VS Fashion show is a celebration of lingerie, art, music and beauty. The thing that irritates me is, that people want to say that this is promoting anorexia, or is a bad body image for little girls. If a fashion show was organized for larger women, people would say it's promoting obesity. There's always a flip side and different opinion to everything.
I think if people are insecure and have a problem about their bodies, they should change it instead of "skinny shaming" or bringing down thin girls. We've all heard the saying "Men go for curves, only dogs like bones." I think that that's incredibly rude. But it's "okay" because it's the overweight woman putting down a skinny girl. If I were to say "Pigs attract other pigs" (I would NEVER actually say that) I would be looked at as rude, insensitive, etc. People tell me to eat a cheeseburger is just as offensive as me telling them to go to the gym. Skinny shaming is just as hurtful as fat shaming.
I don't care about your health or your size. I was just stating a point. I also believe that people are too sensitive, and your harsh reaction to my statement is what I mean by people being "butthurt." I do know the meaning of that. Just because I'm thin doesn't mean I've never been bullied or picked on before.

Dec 12, 2013

Kitty K.

Antonia never said only fat people, she said unhealthy which in terms can mean someone who isn't secure with how they feel and their body image regardless being a size 0 or size 18. And I'm 300% sure if someone did do a fashion show with plus sized models a whole load of people will start talking crap about it because let's be honest... People will always talk crap. Look at Christina Aguilera , she gets pregnant and gets baby weight and all I saw was 'OMG she's too fat'. She gets her body back and now it's 'OMG how sick and anorexic does she look.' Lets remember that even us ladies who are small sizes get picked on just as well for being 'too skinny and sick'. It's not pleasant being called a fatass and hurts just as much as being called anorexic, and too skinny. Been on both ends on the line and neither are pleasant places to be.

Dec 12, 2013

Antonia S.

Julianne and Rozberry, I totally understand and I'm sorry for that statement. My point was to give an example of a fashion show geared to plus size women. Fat/unhealthy was the wrong word choice.

Dec 12, 2013

Amanda V.

I think that "fat shaming" and "skinny shaming" is BOTH extremely wrong. It's not fair either way an incredibly insensitive.

Antonia, I love what you said about the lingerie being abstract in the sense that no one would ACTUALLY wear that. Just like all runway looks, it's never literal. But elements can be taken from the runway and be put into a more wearable outfit, underwear, etc.

Dec 12, 2013

Amanda V.

An as far a "skinny shaming" goes, I've been called "so skinny it's disgusting." To me that was very hurtful. Especially when I don't find myself that skinny? I'm 5'1 and around 110, which is pretty average. I'm definitely not anorexic, I eat ALOT. But I exercise. So either way it's not right.

Dec 12, 2013

Amanda V.

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Dec 12, 2013

Natalie T.

I agree with Angel's posts about the fashion elements... Victoria's Secret is absolutely underwhelming and not interesting in anyway (in my opinion, with my tastes & background in fashion). I feel like the VS fashion show is more for entertainment value than merit in the fashion world, so I don't waste my time watching it.

As for the models in the VS show, I don't have a problem with how they look... they look larger and "healthier" than a regular womenswear runway model. But those runway models are hired to be the human equivalent of a hanger and a display of the GARMENT not show off the woman wearing it. Which doesn't seem like the case for Victoria's Secret. Victoria's Secret seems to care more about displaying the models than the fashion, that's why I see this as entertainment as opposed to a serious fashion show. Unfortunately there seems to be too much attention paid to the models and not the garments themselves in other runway shows, which is infuriating from a designer's standpoint. I would be upset if people came to see my designs and just talked about my choice of models, that is NOT why I create clothing and invite people to see my creations =/  

Dec 12, 2013

Amanda V.

That's a very good point Natalie. Which is why I don't have that much of a problem with the size of runway models. Many people aren't aware the only reason why they do that is because they don't want anything distracting or taking away from the fashion itself. (Such as curves) but VS does seems to care a lot about the models as well.

Dec 12, 2013

Natalie T.

Totally, Amanda! I'm plus sized, so I like seeing items I'm actually going to buy on models my size... on retail websites (or blogs or something). But I'm also a designer and love fashion, so I prefer to see runway shows and those designs on models that size since its the closest to the original sketches and way the idea of the garment was conceived. VS and other lingerie brands definitely need some curves here and there to show off their products since they are actually products for boobs and butts =P Whether they're tiny curves or giant curves or anything in between, lingerie and bedroom garments are focused around women more so than conceptual sketches or anything. Even in art school there is a big distinction between fashion illustration for womenswear ready to wear and couture and lingerie designs.

Dec 12, 2013

Kyraa D.

I agree with having multi-size models. & I'm sorry, but the models they use don't look "in shape" to me. they just look skinny as hell. plus, if VS is going to make larger sized bras & lingerie, they should show them too! not just the XS sizes. that's ridiculous. girls with some curves would be nice to see once in a while on their fashion shows.

Dec 13, 2013

Rebekah K.

Woah this is a big discussion alright.

Dec 13, 2013

Roz X.

For the record, I will rock some wings...perhaps a Viking helmet in the bedroom. ;)